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Parcel Of Rogue's avatar

I did a couple of years as Press Officer for Epping Forest LibDems in the early 90's. I managed to find one decent story for the local paper, but the tory supporting rag cunningly turned the story around putting it on the front page but made it pro Tory. Such is the world we inhabit, so at the time I decided it wasn't worth my time and decided to drop LibDem and Trade Union activism and concentrate instead on the folk rock band I was in. I've been in and out as a non active member ever since.

Apart from the early Alliance days with the SDP influx from the Labour Party, the LibDems only thrived when they were centre left liberals with a radical edge, notably under Charles Kennedy. Disaffected Tories still liked to vote for them as well as disaffected left wing people.

Under First Past the Post it is doubtful that the present centre to centre right dominated LibDems would really fly in normal times next to the internal coalition that is the right wing Tory Party, which are the most successful of any in the democratic world. They are overwhelming and dangerous to be near, like the sun. However, these tory times are not normal ones and the coming collapse will benefit the LibDems as well as Labour and others and will last at least 2 terms, possibly much longer.

Nick is right to frame our European future around the future of Tory positioning. At least as long as we keep FPTP voting, the EU will realise that the UK cannot re-join fully unless the Tory Party accepts that, as they would be back in power and possibly taking us out again. If we drop FPTP for a decent form of PR voting then everything is up for grabs and I believe the present inbuilt right wing advantage is dissipated.

I'd like to see the LibDems more like the D66 Party in the Netherlands, but D66 exist on the back of PR voting, rather than the travesty of the UK's unrepresentative, undemocratic, majoritarian system.

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I joined the Lib Dems and campaigned for them in 2019 after ditching Labour on the day Corbyn ordered a 3-line whip on A50. (I'd only joined the LP to be able to vote him out as leader, although I'd always been a Labour voter and campaigned for them in 2017 via an anti-Brexit group). All the people I met in the Lib Dems were lovely. The candidate was excellent and made a big dent in the Labour majority. But I couldn't agree more about the strategy. Jo Swinson, utter delusional disaster. I left the Lib Dems after the election. After knocking on hundreds of doors I came to the conclusion their only selling point is that people think they are 'in the middle'. I say only but actually now it's a massively valuable asset. What you're saying here is all very plausible.

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