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münchner kindl's avatar

Sorry, but I will disagree. Not telling people facts or truth, not having a plan that can work in reality, not having a solid platform (human rights and social democracy instead of full-Corbyn socialism) for Labour Party is like getting the clown car off the road not with the help of police and roadblocks, but by jumping into a second clown car and claiming this is slightly less deranged.

It's still politics by populism. It still means voters can't rely on Labour doing the right thing - because there's no commitment to believing that human rights are important, that facts matter when dealing with reality, or doing a full reform across all sectors to cut most roots off of populism.

If Starmer is too afraid of populists now to say the right thing, he won't do the right thing after winning the election, either, because Mail and Sun and Tory politicans will still be mean to him, so he will try to out-tory the tories by doing populism.

Populism is bad for the country, even when done by Labour.

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Patrice Fabien's avatar

I do get Nick’s arguments and understand the reasoning. But for me ‘make Brexit work’ is not any better than ‘Brexit means Brexit’. It is still a slogan straight from the populist stable. That aside, Starmer will struggle to ‘get in’ as he is unlikely to get the support he requires from Scotland. In addition (1) he is against Scottish independence (I live in Scotland and I am in favour) and (2) his immigration policy is not much different from the Conservatives. I could go on, but the bottom line is that I have gone off K Starmer and, were I able to vote (I’m an EU immigrant), I would not have voted for him.

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