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Parcel Of Rogue's avatar

Of course, the attempt to settle the schisms in the Tory Party was the trigger point for Cameron to promise and run a Referendum that dragged Britain and it's economy out, to obviously flounder, with 3 studies showing GDP losses between 4%-5.5% or £100bn p.a., including £40bn in lost tax revenue. For the Tory Party, always the interests of the Tory Party come before those of the country. But they are so incompetent that they can't even get that right.

If the Tory Party had wanted to do Referenda well, they would have needed only to look at two examples where they have been done well and copy them, but no, that was unthinkable for the arrogant Tories. Switzerland has up to 4 Referenda p.a.. It makes the campaign for change sign up to a manifesto as to what they want to offer. This is backed up by courts, so if they even talk about offering something different to what is on their manifesto, the court nullifies any vote in their favour. There is no way the UK result would have reached this high bar, with leaders of the leave campaign offering different versions of Leave and changing the offer, every few days. If they had not offered this broad range of versions of Leave, there is no way they would have got it over the line. The whole thing is a gigantic and obvious political fraud.

Even closer to the UK is the Republic of Ireland, with it's own harsh papal do's and don'ts recently ringing in it's ears. To go from that to become a modern liberal, largely secular state was a tall order. They put together citizens assemblies to talk through issues and make recommendations to politicians and the public before they held Referenda. The country has been transformed from retrogressive to one arguably more liberal than N.I., where the Unionists used to cite papal interference in law and government that made life there for them supposedly intolerable. Now it is the DUP looking the illiberal side of Ireland's coin.

With the Tory Party being the dominant governing force in Britain, re-joining against their opposition might look difficult or risky to the EU.  However, if by Jan '25, opinion polls and other election indicators are proved correct and the Tories are almost wiped out ( most recent projection was 25 seats and potentially 4th place), then the mood music on re-joining might suddenly look very different.

Add to that, Starmer knows he has to turn the economy around to some extent within 2-3 years to be able to spend and invest, or this coming Labour government could be quickly defeated again and in this era of volatile opinion and rapid change, it might be their last ever term of majority government.

Remember: "Nobody is suggesting we leave the Single Market.....it would be mad" etc. Farage.

Starmer needs to start with a deal that looks like the Single Market and Customs Union, if not in name or completed form, negotiating while maintaining EU standards and building trust. The LibDems have a 4 point plan to join the Single Market.  Reformed PR voting would enable re-joining much sooner as the Tories and other right wing parties ( Reform UK, Ukip, DUP) would almost certainly never be back in with an overall majority based on proper proportionality of voter choice.

Stable predictable and predominantly centrist governments based on PR voting stretching into the future will be the basis on which the EU will be confident to welcome the UK back into the fold. Alternatively, the destruction of the Tory party to the point where there is little for them to build on to enable them to return under the present FPTP system, might be enough for the EU to trust the UK to let us return.

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Karl Gibbs's avatar

Referenda are not nevessarilly bad.

New Zealand seems to do them well, often as a two stage process.

Are you happy with the status quo and if not which option would you like to be worked on?

And then some time later with the status quo v the worked up alternative with known advantages/disadvantages.

In Ireland referenda after cutizens' assemblies seem to work well.

They have brought about same-sex marriage and access to abortion after the CAs have done in depth thinking.

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