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Parcel Of Rogue's avatar

"...you will be re-joining a club that is insufficiently democratic, insufficiently transparent, and which still suffers from a glaring ‘democratic deficit’”

This argument always makes me think of the supreme brexsitter blinkers they choose to wear because it is Britain that has the biggest democratic deficit this side of various failed states.

Unelected hereditary head of state with powers and influence, including the Crown's requested and granted exemption from hundreds of laws. So some people are above the law here.

Unelected upper house of parliament stuffed full of cronies and party donors, one likely Russian spy, hereditaries and the only assured legislative positions for clerics in the world outside of Iran. All appointed incredibly at least (hereditaries) for their lifetimes.

The commons, councils, mayors and police commissioners elected by First Past the Post, an electoral system that might have been the most that could be managed in the era where the fastest communications might have been horse or sail power. But which produces results which can barely be called democracy at all. Governments with overall majorities on 35% of the vote. Parties elected to government that had less votes than the one relegated into 2nd place opposition. MP's elected with 30% of their constituency vote or even lower.

FPTP also makes over half of all seats safe. This makes the MP unlikely to do any campaigning or few other efforts, because he or she takes the voters for granted and there is no effective competition for the seat. It is little better than the Rotten Boroughs of old.

Meanwhile, there are parties with millions of votes getting one or no MP's at all. The EU's Party List PR system suffers none of these democratic outrages.

Single member constituencies. Unlike the EU's multi member constituencies, the UK system means voters going unrepresented for months, years or permanently because of MP's vanishing for various reasons, being lazy or making excuses not to do the work (Nadine Dores). Or else the one MP does not agree with your viewpoint and will not touch an issue.

The Electoral Commission in the UK has judicial powers yet has been taken over by the government, losing it's independence and is now reliant on Gove's decision before making investigations.

The UK parliament is virtually owned by the executive, using it in many ways as a rubber stamp, with whips, threats of deselection and Johnson loyalty agreements. Imagine the backlash if these means were used in the EU Parliament?

The EU has a Parliament elected by PR and multi member constituencies with typically a range of parties in every such area to represent people. It has a Council of elected heads of national governments and the Commission which is just their civil service. Unlike the UK civil service, the Commission heads and deputies are elected by other EU elected bodies. The Commission has no power to pass laws and operates guided by the other EU bodies and in consulting interested parties, much as the Civil Service. The Commission has been widely misrepresented by brexsitters much as everything else has been.

I'd like to see real reform of this cap doffing country where democracy is a fig leaf and in my lifetime, but it seems unlikely.

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Anda Skoa's avatar

Very good points on each of those spurious claims!

For myself I would add

1) Some of the opt-outs were even designed to deprive the British people from advances accessible to their European peers.

Best example is Schengen, one of the most obvious achievements of European cooperation.

The UK signed up to all the bits that made government's life easier like access to databases, cooperation and information sharing between members' law enforcement agency.

And then got an opt-out for the bit that is a tangible benefit for normal people, the removal of passport checks when crossing internal borders.

2) "Sending more money" can easily be counteracted by a better approach of accessing EU funds.

When we look at EU budget contributions in the last years before Brexit, the UK have in at fourth place after Germany, France and Italy. It would have been third without the rebate.

If we look at the numbers reduced by EU money spent, the UK suddenly moves up to second place after Germany.

Which means the governments of France and Italy were much better in acquiring EU funding.

Both on the national and regional level.

Essentially the only area in which the UK was good at that was science.

And it was good at that because it didn't require governmental involvement, or rather avoided governmental interference.

3) Indeed. Euro membership requires that a country actually fulfills the necessary criteria.

The opt-out is essentially just a way of hiding the embarrassment of the UK's failed attempt to match them.

It is also one of the opt-outs designed to deprive the British people from another tangible improvement achieved by European cooperation.

4) EU membership (or more precisely Single Market membership) has reduced immigration needs of many member nations.

For example in Austria most open vacancies can be filled by EEA citizens, reducing the need for immigration substantially.

7) Brexit removed the UK from having access to the Schengen database and information sharing of EU members' law enforcement agency, making the British people less safe.

Not even talking about the Brexiters' main goal of reducing health, safety and employment regulations.

10) what Parcel of Rouge said

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