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What the Tories and senior Brexity types would have wet dreams about would be the ability to sell financial services freely into USA, but which is exactly what they would not give the UK in a million years. They would have no benefit for that, only losses.

There is typically 2% duty on manufactured goods going into USA, which is nominal overhead that does not stop present trade. If that does become Trump's 10%-20%, or 60% on Chinese content then that is the stuff of a trade war and a depression. We would be far better being inside the tariff wall, but far better that the trade war didn't happen as it would affect UK exports worldwide.

The last time a trade deal with discussed with U.S trade diplomats, it was a walkover for them and in such a terrible way that to get our 2% back for exporters and nothing for services, the requirements were out of a modern horror show. The U.S wanted control of NHS purchasing and other functions, so that they could avoid the bargaining from economies of scale whereby the UK buys from the cheapest supplier worldwide and screws them right down on price, to one where they buy from USA and pay the full price on everything. For most items that would quadruple the cost and in some cases many times that again. Considering the NHS is about 40% on public expenditure, that point alone is not possible without ending many free prescriptions and charging realistic high sums for them.

On food systems, the US was similarly impossibly demanding. They wanted free entry of their worst low standards foods with no standards labelling allowed, since that would be a barrier to trade, i.e some people would refuse to buy it. It includes multi chemically washed filthy chicken that does not kill the bugs, but also the use of daily antibiotics in animal feed, even the strongest ones we are supposed to keep in reserve to protect people from increasingly resistant bugs. Then there is the hormone injections that are 3-4 times as cost effective at growing meat than from feed. I once met a Californian man in his late 20's who had to stop eating U.S beef because he was growing unnaturally tall and broad from it. The feed lot system in America and Australia is incredibly unsustainable even before you factor in air miles.

What effect would cheap commodity meats have in hitting the UK market. It would go into nearly all the factory processing, fast food, supermarket offers & canteens in institutions. UK farming would be hammered and unable to compete. Where it tried to compete, our UK standards would plummet. Farm businesses would close, rural areas blighted, farms overgrown and not looking as tourists would want to see the land, nor walkers walk on it. Meanwhile what would the UK do in any crisis about feeding itself if nowhere near even 50% self sufficient?

None of this is in UK interests, financially, health wise, on the environment, strategically or politically. Any future right wing brexity UK government enacting it would be writing it's own permanent party death warrant.

But Trump loves the UK and would treat it better? No, the strongest U.S. lobbyists with the most influence and political donations are from fossil fuels, military, plus big Pharma and farming. Obama was right. The UK was and still is at the back of a queue and that queue is impossible and endless.

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Philip Jansseune's avatar

Great piece up until the end. I don’t want a trade deal with a country which will prevent one with our nearest trading bloc. Number one issue globally right now MUST be the environment, especially given Trump’s attitude to destroying it. I have two sons and I want them both to have a planet at all!

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